MAJOR CONSPIRACY – AC SHELBY COBRA V.I.N. CSX3303 – SHELBY AMERICAN AUTOMOBILE CLUB – SAAC

 

SAAC CONSPIRACY – BUYER BEWARE:The cobra replica “air-car” that the current owner(s) are claiming to be the real chassis remains of a “1966” Shelby American produced 427 cobra chassis, Cobra V.I.N. CSX3303, is currently being 100% fraudulently represented by the SAAC club (Connecticut). The old 2007 asking price for this “air-car” cobra was $1,500,000.00. Buyer beware.

We have over 200 pictures of the above mentioned aircar cobra chassis frame, that were taken just a few years ago, after, the so called CSX3303 was “pulled” from auction (Dec 2006) because of automobile title chain claim problems.

Special note – All of the above mentioned aircar cobra CSX3303 VIN numbers stampings, that are on the chassis frame currently, had been fraudulently applied (once again) by Brian Angliss (UK) back in the early 1980s. As many know, Angliss was a very well known vintage automobile chop-shop type of “aircar” CSX cobra chassis frame creator (documented in early published UK magazines and UK based lawsuits from the period etc.). Angliss supplied many U.S. based cobra replica resale parts dealers in the 1980s, Gordon Gimbel, Lynn Park, etc.. Angliss offered full factory spec 289-427 Cobra replacement chassis frames for as little as $4000.00, and as high a $8000.00 for rollers, in the early 1980s.

The real original 427 Shelby cobra CSX3303 was found in back of a body shop in 1972 (not S & C Motors, CA). CSX3303 at the time was being offered for sale (as a cobra parts car only). This original CSX3303 cobra chassis had been badly damaged due to an accident. This vehicle at the time had been hit very hard in the front (only). The real CSX3303 chassis remained “in the U.S.” and was later destroyed (100% documented, five years of research just completed in 2010).

Law enforcement and U.S. Customs is currently monitoring the movement of the above mentioned “aircar” cobra.

COMING SOON: CSX3198 , CSX3326 , CSX3302 , etc..

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7 Responses to “MAJOR CONSPIRACY – AC SHELBY COBRA V.I.N. CSX3303 – SHELBY AMERICAN AUTOMOBILE CLUB – SAAC”

  1. Hi .

    Do you have knowledge of CSX 2045 … It’s in Australia at present and maybe coming up for sale …Anything in it’s history that looks unusual ?

    Regards

    Terry Daly Sydney Australia

  2. Hello

    Tell me what about Cobra CSX 3212

    thank you

    • Again. Up to 50% of all original 1962-1968 cobra vins being claimed today, are in fact, 100% built-up “air-cars“. Period. “Crooks love Crooks!”

      The real truth about, all of the current, and, X-SAAC owners, will be fully documented in a future 2013-14 tell-all-book.

      FYI- S.A.A.C.(Connecticut), is in fact, a U.S. based company (DBA). Team Shelby – Shelby American Inc (Carroll Shelby part owner), DOES NOT have one affiliated business arrangement (signed contract agreement) with the so-called “SHELBY AMERICAN AUTOMOBILE CLUB (SAAC Connecticut)”.

      • Hemmings.com

        April 12th 2012 : Ohio man busted for trying to sell cloned Chevelle Z16 as the real thing

        Photo via Columbus Ohip Dispatch Newspaper-

        Bobby Patton thought he’d figured out a way to make a few bucks off a 1965 Chevelle. He’d punch out his own trim and VIN tag, throw in a 396 and some badges, and stick the car up on a popular online auction site for a quick $100,000. That’s what he did, last April. Only problem: There’s more to a Z16 than that, and the Z16 guys pay attention.

        A thread on Chevelles.com quickly pointed out the problems with the car, starting with obvious issues such as the homemade VIN, with the incorrect codes and sequence within it. Jeff Helms, owner of the Z16 website and registry, soon contacted the owner (with great tact, I’d like to point out), and indicated some of the issues with the car:

        Hi, Roger. Thanks for sending the pictures. Unfortunately, your car is not a Z16. Nor is the engine a Z16 engine. Nor is it # matching to the car.

        I own 2 real Z16′s, and am the owner and editor of the Z16 website and Z16 Registry. http://www.z16chevelle.com . . . So, trust me that I know what I am talking about (on this subject at least).

        The VIN tag and the cowl tag that you have are homemade tags, where someone cut out a flat piece of aluminum the shape of the tag, and stamped what they wanted on it. On real VIN and cowl tags, the characters are raised, not impressed into the tag. I will email you pictures of real Kansas tags in a moment.

        Further, whoever made the fake cowl tag copied the body # of a real Z16 (14629) from a picture on my website!! You will see that body number on the picture I am about to send you. The body numbers were not reused; each Z16 has a different body #; so your car could not have body # 14629 even if it was a real Z16.

        You stated in the auction that it has a 160 MPH speedometer, but in the pics I can see that it is a 120 MPH speedometer.

        The rear trim on Z16′s is totally different. Look at any of the pics on my website.

        Lastly, the engine you have is not a Z16 engine. It is not even a 1965 engine. It is a 1966 Chevelle 396/360hp engine. With that casting #, the deckstamps mean:

        TIIIIEF means Tonawanda engine plant, November 11, 396/360 HP 66 Chevelle application.

        F105961 is the last 7 digits of the VIN number of the car that that engine originally came in. Which do not match the VIN # on your title. The head casting # is also for OVAL port 1966 396 heads, which were used on 396/325hp and 396/360hp engines. Not on 375hp engines, which used square port heads.

        I sincerely hope you did not buy this car thinking it was a real Z16 and pay a real Z16 price for it. If you did, you need to hire a good lawyer and sue whomever sold it to you. You also need to go to Axxxx Motor Sales who performed your appraisal and demand your money back, because they obviously do not know what they are doing.

        Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, if you did not already know all of this.

        Thanks- Jeff Helms

        At that point, a smart person would have yanked the listing and taken the car apart before the state police came calling. But Patton instead jumped in on the Chevelles.com forum (as “Roger Workman”) to defend his sinking ship and/or spread the blame:

        Thanks everyone for your kind words. This vehicle was purchased from and titled in Carolina’s from the previous owner. Purchased by my parents and currently it is titled and insured in State of Ohio. We are having the DMV do a title search and verification on the VIN of the vehicle. We are not vehicle experts and depend on reputatible apprasial companys to verify what we have been told. Apparently either the appraisal company has misguided us and many, many car collectors and lovers at the numerous car shows this vehicle has been to in and around Columbus area are wrong or it is indeed correctly a Z16. Since so many on here seem to be experts, what, if anything can I look for or provide documents to validate it?

        In fact, with homemade tags, the car was unsaleable, and as tampering with them is a felony, the only possible way to rectify the situation would have been to remove them and have the (Ohio) state DMV issue new, correct ones. Those wouldn’t have indicated it was a Z16, but it could have been a nice, $25,000 Malibu – one like the restoration photos he soon added showed.

        Eventually, Patton wised up and after four days – four days of furious discussion among Z16 fans and numerous attempts to get him to come clean – closed the auction. Still, Patton continued to dig his hole deeper, and even sent the eternally patient Jeff Helms more photos to “prove” his car was a Z16. They didn’t, as Helms wrote:

        Your frame is a standard Chevelle coupe/sedan frame. It is not a Z16 frame. The side rails are open on the inside. Z16 frames are completely different. They are boxed in like convertible and El Camino frames.

        Your front spindles and brake backing plates are the standard 10.5″ units that came on all regular ’65 Chevelles. They are not Z16 parts. The measurement is not of the backing plate or of the outside of the drum. It is measured across the brake shoe facing inside the drum.

        I can’t tell you anything about the rear axle from those pics. There should be a casting number on the center housing. There should also be a casting date on the center housing (a letter followed by two or three digits, in a format like K124). There should also be a stamp on the forward face of the passenger side axle tube (two letters, four digits, and then another letter, in a format like CA0123 B). Tell me what the #’s on it are, and I will tell you what it came out of.

        Also note that your car does not appear to have a padded dash. All Z16′s had padded dashes, which have numerous holes drilled in the top of the dash for the studs on the back of the pad to go through so it could be bolted on.

        Lastly, assuming this frame is the original to that body, the A111581 means that the true VIN # of this car is 138375A111581 (if the car is really a factory V-8 SS), or 137375A111581 (if the car was originally a factory 6-cylinder SS), or 136375A111581 (if the car was originally a factory V-8 Malibu), or 135375A111581 (if the car was originally a factory 6-cylinder Malibu). If you do not have the original cowl tag or VIN tag, there is no way to know what the original full VIN # was. But either way, it was built in Atlanta, not Kansas where all Z16s were built. And the 111581 sequence means it was built in Atlanta during the month of December 1964. All Z16s were built in Feb-April of 1965.

        This confirms what I was already 99.9 percent sure of – your car is not, and has never been, a Z16.

        As far as your title goes, whoever faked that VIN tag must have run a bill of sale through NY or Alabama with the fake VIN on it, and got back a transferee bill of sale, which most title states would accept and give you a title for a few years ago without verifying the VIN and that the tag is legit (but not so easily anymore). So you now have a title for a non-existent car; and you do not have a valid title for the car that you actually own with VIN 13?375A111581. In short, if you sell this car, you will have to do it without a title and identified as a “parts car,” or else you may be committing state and federal crimes.

        Sorry your parents were misled on their purchase. If the seller represented it to be a true Z16, then your parents should consult an attorney and take legal action against the seller, if the statute of limitations has not already expired.

        All Z1′s had 3.31 open rears. The speedo in your car is a converted 120 MPH unit. The tach you have in the car is aftermarket, not factory. The radio you have in that car is aftermarket, not factory. Look at the pictures on the Z16 website to see a factory tach and factory AM-FM with multiplex stereo unit mounted beneath the dash.

        Roger, there is simply not one single piece on your car that suggests that it could possibly be a Z16.

        By then, however, someone had contacted the Ohio State Highway Patrol, who were soon in touch with Jeff:

        I answered all the officer’s questions. He replied back a few days later that the prior owner of the car had been located and was contacted, and that he’d provided evidence that when he sold the car to the current owners it had 327 emblems on the front fenders, and the car was never claimed to be a Z16 when sold.

        The jig was up. On June 27, 2011, a Franklin County Grand Jury indicted Buddy Patton, one count each of Tampering with Records; Possessing Criminal Tools; Telecommunications Fraud; and Attempted Criminal Simulation. He was looking at a possible eight years in jail. That didn’t happen. He pleaded guilty and at his sentencing on April 10, 2012, he received two years probation for a first offense, which he has to serve in West Virginia (the home of “Roger Workman”). He also gets the impounded car back (!), once it gets a VIN installed and title issued.

        For all of you out there thinking of cloning a car and trying to pass it off as the real thing, let this be a lesson: the authorities do indeed pay attention and bust fraudsters when they see ‘em.

  3. 3212 should be the car I saw in pieces in Germany in 1989 or early 90s. It’s said to be built up and kept in a living room be the current owner.

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